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Geoff Livingston

Spot on. I've already pulled my blogs out of the Ad Age 150 because of several perceived fallacies.

Of course, the question is what will happen - or continue to happen - to old media forms. Which stay, which go, how do they change, etc., etc.

Steve Rubel

Bigger question is - when do we stop calling this all "new" media rather than what it really all is - media? Also the chart you have there from eMarketer is fixed in time. It assumes no new format will come along.

Carolyn Ann

I'm reminded of something I read about 10 or so years ago: the generation that creates the technology never figures out what to do with it. It's the next one that does!

All of the corporate purchases of Facebook, YouTube, etc, etc, etc all indicate that many think that the next big thing is here. And it might even be true. But it won't be the next big thing until someone figures out to effectively advertise on it. Or generate revenue some other way - YouTube could charge for premium content, for instance. (Actually, I'm not at all sure why they don't.)

One 'big' thing standing in the way of making money from the web? The mantra that information wants to be free. Not open source, but the idea that "it's available on the web", and it's usually there for free.

Want to know the direction and cost of a stock, the price of gold, the Yen, the Dollar? It's available - the delays in its delivery aren't appreciated, or are ignored. Information became a commodity to be given away, somewhere along the way. And when a few million can be traded in/on that delay - you have a way of making money.

Advertising is merely one market that hasn't figured out what to do with the web. An important one, to be sure. But while the fixation on page-reads and click-through's continues, no one will be able make the consumer and advertiser 'click'. (Sorry! :-) ) A different measure is needed - and one that's more attuned to the smaller, more dynamic, audiences that you mention, Valeria.

Of course, getting the current advertisers to change their paradigm (oh, how I dislike that word!) and redefine what they they know about mass audiences... Well, that's going to be a challenge for some hardy (and resolute) souls!

Heck, what constitutes a "mass audience" is in dire need of redefinition!

Going after the Top "N" bloggers, and seeing if you can make money of their content isn't a fool's game: it's simply a game of fools being their own kind. In a way, it's a subtle manipulation that the rebellious nature of blogging simply won't tolerate. Don't forget: "the establishment" doesn't blog. (Yet.) Besides, treating the top bloggers as something like an employee isn't likely to enthuse the bloggers... (Even if they make money off the deal; in which case - "they sold out, and who wants to pay attention to someone touting that"?)

Lots to think about there, Valeria! Just what I need, right now... :-)

Carolyn Ann

Carolyn Ann

Here's a thought: if you're trying to leverage bloggers as a marketing tool - how do you measure your demographic?

Just today I had a comment from someone in Bangalore (he rides a Royal Enfield, too!) How can geography become a factor? Or, does it need to be?

So much is international, and yet so many (Internet sites) seem to limit their reach to the northern Americas, or Europe or whatever happens to be local. Still others insist on knowing where you're located before they let you on the site! It just seems so restrictive; as restrictive as chasing a mass market that isn't relevant!

Carolyn Ann

Valeria Maltoni

What a conversation we have here! Thank you all for diving in.

@Geoff -- I think the bigger question is how are traditional media vehicles dealing with the fact that information wants to be free. I'm reading a wonderful book on leadership where the question is not about poor communication -- it's about lack of information. What a concept! I will noodle over this at work as it leads somewhere new and we do like new destinations. It is pertinent to change and growth.

@Steve -- I would love for a new format to come along. Maybe the next post will be an ideation of what that would look like. Alas, until we keep being fixated with what worked before and copying each other (very pervasive not only in corporate America), we won't know. I'll repeat something Tom Peters wrote that really stuck with me: it ain't old if it hasn't been done! And this many-to-many is just barely scratching the surface as an economic model. Thank you for joining the conversation. Maybe you have further ideas.

Valeria Maltoni

@Carolyn Ann -- on the planning side I can tell you that we stop too soon. We don't push hard enough for the right answer in format or articulation that will stimulate a conversation. We stop at "safe". I've seen it happen over and over again. Thinking is just too hard and information that is so free online is being held captive inside organizations. We don't have a communication problem, we have an information problem! If you think that there is an effort at controlling the message out here, imagine what it is inside the walls. It isn't always done on purpose, many times it's done on distraction and to follow the hierarchies or lines of command.

You know that the network is already many-to-many but move at a crawl because of information dams. The military figured it out and are letting the information reach the front lines...

There was recently news of pay-per-post bloggers getting their just desserts by Google. What is the next step in advertising? The plot thickens as we all know that ads put forth th best face of a product or service, so to speak, yet if they were more 'real' we would not buy. We aspire, look at the self-help books -- they're not going to make us better until we decide to be what we'd like to become. Yet the sales keep climbing.

The answer resides more in relationships to create something new than in leveraging blogs with old ways. You've given me plenty to chew on. I wonder if anyone else feels like jumping in here?

Tom O'Brien

Hi Valeria:

Great post - but one thing is alluded to but not explicitly called out.

One great but not widely understood effect of the internet is that it allows people to find their like-minded peers around the world - not bounded by geography or time.

I can carry on a conversation about surfboards or digital cameras with my peers around the world - people whom I have never met - and I trust them far more than the marketers of the things I buy.

The internet has re-established word-of-mouth as the primary information source for me. And I am not alone.

This is what brand marketers should be paying attention to.

Tom O'Brien

Valeria Maltoni

@Tom -- I've always counted on word of mouth ;-) From what I've read so far at "A Human Voice", your passion for WOM comes through, and that is usually our point of departure. I might have gotten spoiled over the years, since I am a 'tween (Europe and US) and make friends easily, I've always had a global network. Ever since my middle school days when I started corresponding with students from all over the world.

Online makes it easier, of course. The trick for me is to not let what I do today sway too much what I can envision for tomorrow. Other models are possible, if we can only let go for a moment of the current ones.

Information is not power, it's nourishment. The attempt to control it, even internally, leads only to people making up their own version... and that depletes the network of needed energy focused in the right direction. Word of mouth is effective because real information is being shared.

Seni Thomas

Great post.

I think to distill the definition of New Media one more level and better encapsulate your thoughts it can be expressed as Many-to-Many-to-One communication.

The information is propagated then it is screened by various editors, communities, and trusted sources then fed to you in a personal and relevant stream. You already touched on these points, but I feel that this might be an easier way of conveying the idea.

Cheers,

Seni

deb schultz

Once again - you have a great ability to look at broad implications. The issue is indeed using an old framework for an emerging model - webpages are still not pages are they..;) And social media is once again only being viewed as a new distribution mechanism in which to place ad models. However the impact all this social media stuff is having on individuals and business has much broader strategic implications for companies and customers that are bigger than simply "marketing & advertising".

Valeria Maltoni

@Seni -- maybe another way of looking at it is self-service. We pick the threads in the information highway that most resonate with our focus at the moment. Yes, it's personal and it's relevant and we choose which one it is. Thank you for fleshing it out.

@Deb -- I couldn't have said it any better. Unless you do it (hence the strategic importance of internal blogs and social media) you don't really know how much this changes the way we do business and how we are in conducting business.

Vin Crosbie

Valeria:

Your criticism is apt. Understanding New Media requires a conceptual leap. Like the Theory of Relativity or that of Quantum Physics, the dynamics of New Media are not that hard to understand once you conceptually see how it coalesces. But the problem is to get yourself to that perspective and, once you are there, trying to explain what you see.

Some people use the New Media's facet of social networking as a prism through which to understand and explain it. Others use a facet that is changing marketing. I've been trying to see it through a facet that is changing communications and the media industries (which is of course why my essay appeared in Corante's Rebuiling Media). All these views of the same thing are valid. We're all struggling to find a better ways of explaining the whole that we see.

I need to rewrite my essay.

Valeria Maltoni

Vin:

Your essay was a great departure for this conversation and your observation about articulating what we experience is right on target.

Part of the answer may be creating new language as the existing is charged with history. We're observers and creators so the challenge is felt on multiple fronts.

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