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Ricardo Bueno

What would it all mean if we didn't have the opportunity to engage in meaningful conversation with people? A blog is an extension of who we are and it's a forum for continued conversation. (Some are more developed than others but only because the lesser developed are finding their voice...I say engage with them too and help them find their voice)

Quoting you,
"is there room for actual knowledge, truth, or fact?"

I certainly hope so! I'd hate to think that we're evolving into a group of individuals who have succumbed to regurgitating information. I'd like to share opinions of my own and hear those of others. If you're quoting a particular topic or hi-lighting a piece of news, I'd like to hear why "you" think it's worth mentioning.

I further quote:
"there are people who care about ordering and making sense of the world, promoting good ideas, and preserving integrity in the process of online communication."

These are the individuals that I seek to make a connection with. And these are the individuals that will stand out in the ever growing space of on-line social networking.

Scott Baradell

Nice post, Tiffany.

Tiffany Monhollon

Ricardo,
Thanks for your comment! I agree that the opportunity to engage in conversation with and build relationships with people through blogging is one of the greatest values of participatory media.

And I believe that there IS room for knowledge, truth and fact online – and that's because of people who make room for it. But there are many people who don't really seem to have much regard for truth or accuracy or transparency, etc. These - even really popular blogs - sort of muddy the waters regarding what exactly the future of oncommunication is. So to me, it’s important to ask these questions so that we continually challenge ourselves to live the standards we want to see.

Valeria Maltoni

@Ricardo -- You might find "The Cluetrain Manifesto" helpful in navigating the whole question of collective knowledge and social media. I reread it recently and I just found so much more meaning in what the authors said. Back in 2000, when I read it the first time, I did not have personal experience of it. Now I do, and I can honestly say that it is really hard to get the dynamics of blogging, for example, if you don't do it.

@Scott -- welcome to the conversation and thank you for stopping by.

@Tiffany -- the question around knowledge is good food for thought. David Weinberger in The Cluetrain Manifesto talks about the importance of working with hyperlinked people -- I agree. There is a lot of knowledge and the value is now derived from what we point to. Of course, we need to be filters to know that ;-) Good discussion, and thank you for hosting.

Kami Huyse

Tiffany; I was particularly drawn to your comments about what makes an expert. It has been the topic of many a heated conversation among PR and Marketing bloggers of late. The truth is that the blogosphere is like a giant op-ed page that is segmented by interest. It is mostly opinion and "thought leadership," however you define that term.

However, I want to emphasize that in every generation professionals have distinguished themselves in some way. Possibly this is the way for the current knowledge generation to distinguish themselves, by standing out in a crowded marketplace of ideas.

Tiffany Monhollon

Kami: The issue of expertise is such a complex one. I like your description of the blogosphere being like an op-ed page.

Whether or not this is a problem is similarly interesting. In some of my courses in grad school, we would get into huge debates about people creating their own media diets. Is this good or bad for them? Does whether or not it's "good for them" matter to them? And what does this do to society as a whole?

Carolyn Ann

"The future of communication really boils down to whether or not responsible, thoughtful people will govern this truly free democracy under principles that secure the future of communication while making it interesting, relevant and valuable."

Oh, I certainly hope not!

This is actually a really pet bugaboo with me: the imposition of order (responsibility, etc: "it" goes by so many names!) on free expression. I'd rather it be chaotic, unequal (as long we're all given equal opportunity to be unequal), and as meaningful or meaningless as the 'author' wants! We need a few carnivals going on - at the same time, on the same field! Not an ordered parade!

At some point, standards and expectations will evolve. They'll probably serve to quash some free expression, but I hope not! People will become known by their reputations, and networks of "trust" will develop. The Internet, after all, simply provides a new media for an old practice: that of conversation. ( ! :-) ) People will find ways, I sincerely hope, of expressing themselves, and of continuing to annoy, offend and upset others. They'll also delight, please and inspire others. What a sad, falsely pretty world it would be without the potential for disagreement!

As far experts: I continually find that ancient truisms still apply, no matter the media used for communication! People stubbornly seem to stay the same. Thankfully! (At least something is constant in this ever-changing world.)

Carolyn Ann

Tiffany Monhollon

Maybe "govern" wasn't the right word there. Perhaps the idea is that they will at least involve themselves in the process - that there will be, at least, some truth out there to be found (in the hypothetical world in which traditional media ceases to exist). I certainly don't want to exist in a media landscape where there is no free expression, but I don't want to live in one where there's a hopeless sense that truth and fact aren't valuable or can't be found!

Carolyn Ann

Ah, "truth" - that wonderfully vague, totally incomplete and resolutely defiant concept. My truth is hogwash to someone else; and all that. Simon Blackburn wrote an excellent guide to truth...

I realized what you meant a short time after writing that post, Tiffany (if I may be so bold, and familiar?) My apologies for jumping up and down so vigorously. :-)

In my defense, I can only say that I get embroiled in so many debates about free expression, and what it really is; usually with people who want to curtail some aspect of it, "for the benefit of all". Or some, similar, nonsense. I should stop and think before writing, but my knee-jerk reaction is to rush to the defense of what too many consider the indefensible. Sorry. :-)

Carolyn Ann

Tiffany Monhollon

Well, this conversation is a great example of that free expression at work, Carolyn Ann, so the more, the merrier, no? Now, Epistemology, that's a whole other thing all together! :)

Carolyn Ann

I'd agree, but I kan't spel "epistemology"... :-) Sorry: I couldn't resist! :-)

Well, the thing about these new tools - and I think that some sort of "semantic web" is required now (let alone in the future!) - is that the "rules of knowledge" (for wont of a better term) will have to be defined. It's enough for the NY Times to say "this is true"; they have a reputation to uphold, and they do so with vigor. But for, say, me? Well, I don't hold myself to the same standard: I try my level best, but I simply don't have the resources to figure out "that article I read, oh, 10 (or was it 5?) years ago."

Some sort of trust indicator is going to be essential! (Funnily enough, I worked on a project for an international bank that sort of defined this very concept. I did the math - and there was quite a bit of Lofti Zadeh's "fuzzy logic" in it! I don't know where my notes are, and the entire project was subject to a patent filing; but I'm not sure if it was ever completed.)

The basic problem is going to be: how can we tell if someone is "honest" (how are we going to define "honest" in the future? This question is probably of critical importance to marketers!) without the "normal" clues? Interpersonal interactions are one thing, and we're easily fooled there, but on-line, with little but a few words (that could be scripted?) Whos' to know?

How can we tell, as you point out, what is real, and what isn't? It's going to be a crazy world for a bit. That's one thing that's fairly sure!

Carolyn Ann

dave

Hi Tiffany,

I bet if you were to time travel back to 1999, and had a conversation with David, Doc, Rick and Chris, the lads would not be in favor of standards, oversight and governing - when it came to the transfer of knowledge and information. They might believe this structure to stifle the conversation.

Instead, they might hand the reader a shaker of salt and place the responsibility of dissemination upon them.

As the lads said, "We are immune to advertising. Just forget it." I believe that as internet participants, we have become immune to the title of expert. Certainly the younger generation has.

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