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Skip Shuda

Valeria - an enlightening tour of the latest thinking around influence and social media. Its an area that is of great interest to me. We had a blog entry called "20 Best Entrepreneurial Quotes" that just exploded in December (front page of Digg and Del-icio.us for a day or two) ... and we were really perplexed why that one hit while others didn't. Your post points out the importance of dropping attachment to specific results, but rather resonating on the "how" and context of the current "conversations".

Its also a powerful shift from the old school of "its not what you know, but who you know" (thank God!) and moving to "its more about what you know, how you say it - and what the current listening context is." Its all about resonating and being relevant.

Jonny Bentwood

Valeria, thanks for the link to the white paper. You have written a great post highlighting some of the main points and even made a few new conclusions. This was always my aim as the paper's goal was to encourage conversation about this topic and not be an end in itself.
I especially liked what your third point, namely:
Move away from the idea that buzz can be engineered to achieve some pre-established outcome, and get better at measuring and reacting to buzz that arises naturally (observation from context).
I look forward to reading more of what you have to say.

Jonny

Valeria Maltoni

@Skip -- I'm so glad you joined this discussion. For those who do not know, Skip is a brilliant entrepreneur in love with technology (we had a conversation a few months back on some of his work -- see side panel). "What the current listening context is" as you put it, or attention, is critical. The traditional marketing -- be in as many places as possible -- has become be listening in as many places as possible, with social media being one of them.

@Jonny -- I am seeing more and more how sociology/anthropology and economics can meet. Not go on tangents, but the current studies on neural marketing complement the more traditional reliance on psychology. I could go on. Maybe there will be a future conversation on how observation from those angles and teachings lead us back to a more natural way of doing business ;-)

Marshall Sponder

Well, I will comment on your post - I do think influentials matter (I don't think your saying that they don't matter - but that they are not the primary means of communicating a message) and wrote a post on it http://www.webmetricsguru.com/2008/01/social_media_influentials.html

Valeria Maltoni

As I wrote in the comment of your post, we are talking about viral marketing here. Plus, people defined as influentials may be a big hindrance to the spreading of a message in some cases:

- maybe it does not match their ideas and agenda;
- they don't have time to read your message and figure out what to do about it;
- they might be inclined to spread something that they perceive as a trend (so already being touted by others) to show they are with it;
- right place and right time is valid with them as well.

These are just some thought I had from where I sit -- and I am not as busy as Scoble or others you list as influentials.

Herb

Valeria,

Lots of interesting bits to digest. You might want to check out this post on Strong vs. Weak ties in social networks.

http://bokardo.com/archives/weak-ties-and-diversity-in-social-networks/

I discussed a bit of the idea here -

http://herbsawyer.com/2007/10/22/mess-of-thoughts-on-effective-mass-brand-communication-using-social-media-kind-of/

Valeria Maltoni

I am completely on board with diversity and distance -- as in not knowing someone too well. Why do we take the advice of a third party and not that same coming from within the organization? Taking people we know and work with for granted is quite common.

Back to influentials, the way this thought transfers there is that they are a known entity -- and we may become biased as to what they think, one way or the other... more food for thought here. Thank you!

Bud Caddell

I'm gonna ask the stupid question --

Your post is called "Forget Influentials" -- but everything talks about measuring and identifying influencers. Is the thrust of the post to pay more attention to the community context, not just the agents? But doesn't anything "viral" still depend on that select group of people hard-wired to spread things?

Valeria Maltoni

Bud,

Not a stupid question at all. Thank you for taking the time to weigh in and welcome to the conversation. The point of Watts' research is actually to demonstrate two things: that (1) anyone is a network can become a temporary influential if they choose to spread the information; (2) people's level of readiness to see/hear a message influences the spreading of it.

The definition of influential in the Edelman report actually supports that. If you look at the Social Media Index, for example, people who participate in a number of networks are favored. Sure, you will see the most known people measured there, but I would bet that there are many more who have a high index and good mix and are known in other circles.

With spreading I would factor in passion and right time, right place. Some examples of that is that relatively unknown bloggers have broken big news in this last year.

Gaurav Mishra

Unless I’m way off the mark here, and correct me if I am, the only debate here is whether you should spend your marketing dollars targeting your ads at a lower number of influentials or reaching a broader market. This is a debate about cost trade-offs, not the fundamental nature of social networks.

Given that the objective of most marketers is to spread a given idea in the most cost-efficient manner (and it is), given that improvements in technology will make it more cost-efficient to identify and target influentials (and it will), and given that influentials themselves will become more connected via social media tools (and they will), word-of-mouth/ social/ viral marketing practitioners will do well to continue to focus on the tipping point potential of influentials.

Valeria Maltoni

At least you are consistent, Gaurav
http://servantofchaos.typepad.com/soc/2008/01/the-democracy-o.html

I am with David Reich on the Servant of Chaos comment. Publicity, which is generally less costly than advertising, can reach a relatively small group of people, to a degree.

Some combination of mass and "influentials" could work, but who knows what the magic formula is? It will probably differ in every case.

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