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Mads Kristensen

Reading this I cannot help thinking that perhaps this a useful place for widgets? Because what if we started thinking about integrating widgets from advertisers instead of banners into our websites.

We could do the following:

- Only engage with advertisers that provide context, meaning and real added value to the website they want to advertise on.

- Integrate the advertising through a widget complete with social elements such as aggregating, sharing, commmenting etc.

The result would be a website that would be enriched by advertising - not deflated by it. The advertiser would get a better response/relationship with the user because the advertiser provides real value. And most likely websites would be able to get better prices due to better performance.

Key in this is to put stringent demands on the advertisers and not let them throw crap in the faces of your users.

Might work.

Paula Thornton

My head and my stomach hurt. Too many mixed agendas here (but all good stuff!). This is a cognitive and economic problem space. The problem has to be understood before the appropriateness of the design solution can be assessed.

Any design solution can be optimal for a given situation. But banners are a bad design solution for the majority of cases in which they are engaged.

The problem is with the concept of 'advertising'. Advertising is a flawed discipline at the core (http://www.fastforwardblog.com/2008/02/18/advertising-relic-of-inefficiency/ ). It needs to be replaced with something else that has Behavioral Economics (cognitive economics http://del.icio.us/iknovate/CognitiveEconomics ) at its core.

Yes, conversations are important, but they have their place. Work backward from the action/scenario. A 'teaser' (regardless of it's form -- link in an article, a callout) is typically followed because of interest. This is going to get really long, so I'm going to back off of it by simply saying, stop thinking of "Markets as Conversations" and begin thinking of "Conversations as Markets". Go to where the individual is (and yes, the Google context ads move toward this, but they're still ads -- more appropriate are 'suggestions' -- ala. Amazon's you may also be interested in).

I'm more interested in what we haven't come up with as options yet. But we won't get there without a deeper focus on Cognitive Economics informing design...not 'put it in this [mediaform] design, but true "what makes the most sense in this context" design.

Jon

@Paula: Your comment made me want more info on the 2nd link you provided, but when I click it, there are 'no items'. Bummer. I think you and I are thinking along the same lines. I'll wade thru your blog to verify this...

Valeria, you probably know what I am going to say...

The Banner is obviously not working. Most people I know tuned it out back in the late nineties. But it IS prime real estate, so we should figure out how to make it useful.

Again, I have to say that I think online marketing is looking at the situation completely backwards. Online marketing needs to include the consumer as THE reference point for any plan.

Look at everything marketing on the web from the point of view of the one sitting in front of the screen. Forget your advertisers. Forget your 20th century relic of a boss. Put yourself in the user's chair.

It's actually very easy to do, because each one of us is that user. Ask yourself, "What do YOU want from online marketing?"

Then ask the users. Every day. Then listen to them. Especially when they change their mind.

I'd better shut up or I may spill my beans...

BTW, I still cannot use my email address to post a comment here! Your blog is making me use an old YAHOO address that I created to catch spam from online sign ups... Isn't there some way you can 'whitelist' me?

After all, I am a Friendly!

Valeria Maltoni

@Mads - banners are such prime real estate that utilizing in more concrete and valuable ways can only provide an upside. I am warming up to the idea of using a widget. In fact, I will be thinking further about an execution in that direction. Thank you!

@Paula - Thank you for turning the question around. That is indeed the direction we should explore and the gap between where marketers are and where they should be sometimes is a bit large. I have been wrestling with the idea of design of business (which is where I'd really like to be vs. at the mere communications after the fact) and needing to be in conversations on the ground floor vs. an afterthought. I totally got where you were coming from. The alternative would be to dumb down and flatten it all making it sound and look simplistic, which it isn't. It is in moments of chaos that creation emerges so this is a very opportunistic time to drive change into specific directions.

@Jon - good direction. Usability is key, as in value within context. I think we all see that. How do we get there? I am going to give some thought to what Mads proposed, keeping in mind what you and Paula added. Now we're cooking! I will inquire with TP about the email if you send me your address off line. I remember that I once tried sending you a message there form email and it bounced back...

gluca

thanks Valeria, what a honour! :)
glad that my post is inspiring such a debate also here :)

Alex Wipf

A social ad with people in it is still an ad. A concept, btw, which has been used for decades. I am wondering if they can save online advertising, or if it’s just a reprieve to keep spending on media instead of creating valuable experience for people.
http://culturalfuel.com/2008/08/08/social-banners-can-they-save-online-advertising/

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