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Carolyn Ann

I *strongly* disagree with Mr Karp. Online is consumption, print is most assuredly for exploration.

We may not explore the immediate in print, but we do explore the world around us. Online communications tend to be more of "this is what I see immediately around us". A bit like Henry Stanley describing what he saw, and not asking "Dr Livingstone, I presume?"

The online reading "experience" can be used for exploration, but it's usually used for the immediate. Perhaps Stanley would have described the trees, the village and the surroundings in Twitter?

I shudder to think of Henry V (Shakespeare) as "consumption". The Illiad, as mere consumption? "Howl" (Allen Ginsberg), a mere consumable? I have yet to see the Internet's "Leaves of Grass".

I have to see the Internet produce anything that has a beauty beyond itself, or any real permanence. I'm sure it has, but I'm equally sure it's well hidden. It seems to me that the ephemeral is called wonderful, the permanent stodgy and the trendy is simply accepted wisdom.

Print is dying, but let's not kick it, yet. Mr Karp might do well to remember that without print, there would be no "online". Without Shakespeare, Homer, Thucydides, Whitman, et al - there would be no language for him to use the impermanence of the Internet as an excuse for "exploration".

One does not explore on the web - one simply reacts to what is presented. We don't explore, on the web. We passively accept what is presented. A click is not an active event, it is a curiosity (perhaps), a feeble one, but it is not an exploration.

At some point, the web will offer what we can gain from print - but until then, the arrogance of trend will count the dead trees, and fail to count the train loads of coal it takes to produce electricity. And the web. You don't "need" electricity to produce a book, or to read it.

Personally, I explore the world through literature, music, art and movies and motorcycle riding. I can't say I've ever found the Internet anything but passive. Exploration is active, the Internet isn't.

Carolyn Ann

PS I think the numbers are, while mathematically accurate, wrong. If that were the case, he could expect a slew of competitors who would drive his costs, and profits, into areas unknown. In other words: if it were that easy - we'd all be doing it.

Joe Mescher

Online is most assuredly about exploration (though I do snack here and there thanks to Twitter...)

Print offers me the chance to skim from page to page, but not outlet to outlet, unless I have a thick stack of material sitting next to me.

By the way Carolyn Ann, I don't think arguing about trees vs. coal is a fair fight.

Alternative fuel sources like wind and solar (although not widespread yet) exist to reduce the damage wrought on the planet by our web surfing.

Print needs trees day in/day out no matter what.

Great article, I'm sure it will inspire plenty of constructive debate!

Joe Mescher
Social Media Commando
www.Twitter.com/JoeMescher

Carolyn Ann

My metaphor flunked! :-)

Clearly, I wasn't very clear [sorry...] about my point. :-)

The web is ephemeral, print has a permanence. Sure, both can be destroyed, but in general print has the upper hand in presenting to us ideas that go beyond the simplistic. It's the difference between skimming, and contemplating. Currently, the web offers so little that can be contemplated, compared to print.

As the electronic readers, like that little box I saw someone on a Manhattan bus using, become ubiquitous, this will change. But the biggest problem I see all this is demonstrated ably by Wikipedia: the need for the information to be absolutely contemporary. Changes to the metaphorical and virtual record reflect current thinking; there's no permanence. The original writer is subsumed to the audience. Who, in turn, demand compliance to their attitudes. It's much harder to demand that in print!

I read a lot of books, some of them good, many of them instantly forgettable. I tend not to turn to the web for literature!

I don't know. Perhaps I'm just being a Luddite, and worrying about something I can't do anything about. Permanence of thought, of words, is a tenuous idea, anyway. It's just that the temptation to tweak something, over time, may be too much for some writers. I've seen this in the blogosphere; a writer will remove their work from public view, or change entire phrases of past posts to reflect either new thinking, or (as I discovered, once) to change a readers' perception of the writer. The original wording reflected badly upon the writer, the new wording reflected badly upon the person they were "debating" (me); indeed in one post, anything about the entire argument was summarily removed! When it's so easy to change what is written, how can we trust what we are reading? The implications are staggering - how do you get "Leaves of Grass", in such an pro tem environment?

Carolyn Ann

Valeria Maltoni

@Carolyn Ann - can I just say how much I enjoy your writing? I love the metaphor in the beginning of your first comment. I think - and I might presume here - that Mr Karp meant print news, not art/literature. I, too grew up loving (even when I hated translating them from Greek and Latin) the classics. I'm thinking the beauty is inherent, it's inside the people who do make the connections and further projects and their own learning... at least that has been the evolution for me. But I do have the benefit of a top shelf education in the classics to begin with, so it's hard for me to assess this objectively. I do think and strongly believe that the people who use the Internet are active. They are in my stream and in my email. Think about it - we would have probably hardly crossed paths had it not been for this blog. That is huge.

@Joe - most of what I do online is exploration, so I do identify with the distinction as presented by Karp.

@Carolyn Ann - the work of a writer that does not sell in print gets pulled, too. It just doesn't get published or reprinted. Online, there is a permanent record cached somewhere, even though the author might delete the page or comment on their site. Permanence is n the minds and hearts of those who connect with something, not so much in the medium in which they are presented. That, I know, is just one piece of the conversation.

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