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edward boches

V:
I found this post a little rambling, and not sure of it's most fundamental point, but these two thoughts were worth the price of admission. Actually more, since they were available for free.

Just as design is about visual space, leadership is about social space.

Companies can now take their message directly to customers - and hear their feedback in real time.

Also, thrilled to see Umberto Eco referenced in a blog post. Wonder how many of your readers know who he is or have read his works.

Valeria Maltoni

Ed,

I appreciate the feedback. Some days I might make connections seem easier. I'll work more diligently to provide clarity of exposition.

The most fundamental point of the post is: get over patting yourself on the back for being so darn good at what you think you deliver. Are we tired yet of putting others down to look better? Aren't we subjected to that enough? Can we change the conversation?

Take it as a fundamental philosophical stance on the current "me smarter than you" thread. We collectively are smarter than any one of us.

Unspecific and all sweeping criticism is not helpful. Those who care want to learn, those who don't, well they don't. For the social space to mature, we need less wining and more leadership.

Glad you were able to find value in there and thank you for reading.

Carolyn Ann

My first thought was "Midsummer's Night Dream". My second was "Hamlet?" So I reread Hamlet. (Moment of dread...) I was right the first time. Umberto Eco does seem to have a habit of not exploring his points. Some? Yes. Most? I'm not so sure. I'd have to read more of his work to know for sure, though. I don't know if you've ever read Midsummer, but if you haven't, it explores your quote from Mr Eco. (There was a superb movie made of it, but I can't recall who was in it, sorry.)

You're a heck of a lot more optimistic than I am, Valeria! I do think people are gullible; those inane "Tea Parties" prove as much. Not to mention Glenn Beck and his boss, Sarah Palin. Cynicism is a little too easy, though. I think you mentioned that; please forgive my echoing! (Mr Beck's and Mrs Palin's cynicism is the easiest of all, however.)

I'm not sure that "we" are smarter than the individual. To be sure "all problems are shallow" when you have a hundred eyes look at it. But some visions are simply unknown until one person points it out! Great art often has such principles.

And again, I point to Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin. Destructive and entirely focussed on the negative, those two somehow manage to abuse the idea that the individual matters, while espousing political points (they are assuredly not philosophies) that detract from what it means to be individual. Indeed, they remove the individual, and concentrate on the mass, and mass hysteria.

On the other hand, we have Linux: some say it's beautiful. I'm not convinced, but I don't quibble. Too much. It's the product of a million minds. Apache, the favorite web server, seems to capture both aspects: an incredibly complex architecture (for a simple task), and some amazing bits of coding. It's definitely the horse built by committee: much to admire, much more to wonder the sanity of, and it's still called a camel. (If I ever code a web server, it will be called "camel". :-) )

Speaking of which...

Arrogance is a trait I've seen often in the computer business; oddly, never among good woodworkers. Among poor ones, yes. I saw it far too often on Wall St. Oddly, when I worked for a retail bank, I saw it far more often - among those who thought they were "on" The Street. "Me smart, you not" was particularly in evidence when I had one foot in construction, and one foot in Wall St. The construction guys were never what anyone would call arrogant.

I've even been accused of it! My goodness... :-D

I have to disagree with Ed: it wasn't a rambling post. It was quite pointed, in fact. It's good to stretch as a writer, and as a thinker. This post was different to your "usual" writing, that's all. May I give you a standing ovation? :-)

Carolyn Ann

peter

Bravo Indeed.

A worthy epilogue to Travels in Hyper Reality.

I'm struck by its art - A conversation with your self but we only hear "one" side (like an overheard phone conversation).

I sense I'm listening into a "passionate" discussion between you and "someone" else. It only appears rambling because I can't hear the other. But I hear your reactions as the other constantly interjects, arguing, throwing their hands up with the utter delight of the process (but unconcerned with agreement or changing your mind).

Although I have only heard the echo of this other in your words I know we would be great friends.

Yes talk does change our lives - what your post reminds us all of is with whom we have the greatest conversation.

Thank you ( By the way, if I misunderstand you I dont apologise. I see the measure of your art as the ability to inspire cogent misunderstandings - based on the comments, this is anything but "usual").

Peter

(On Eco not exploring his points - Caroly Ann, I can recommend Eco's introduction to Kant and the Platypus. There is a lovely admission that he is largely interested in explaining things to himself. He also quotes as his motto "I used to be indecisive but now I'm not sure".

My take on Eco is that his insights can be sacred and profound. The thing about sacred things is that the object and their meaning can be seperated by life times. I'm not sure you can hurry this up with words.)

Valeria Maltoni

@Carolyn Ann - read the book and watched the movie. Your example captures what Peter here also says: I am talking to people. Whether they're listening is up in the air. People are not as sophisticated or learned as they think they are, me included ;) Putting others down to look good has never been a charming quality to me, especially when the putting down is opportunistic. Glance and move on, would say Dante more eloquently than I, and so I shall. Thank you for the comment, I enjoyed every bit of it.

@Peter - I don't do sensational rants well. If I wanted to be popular and point people to hundreds of comments, I would emulate the best out there - use controversy, use others. The other in this dialogue may very well be a side of me, in that case I would welcome your friendship ;) Agree on Eco. Perhaps I have a slight advantage in being able to read him in the original language, although I know he's quite accomplished in English as well.

Scott Gould

Valeria,

First of all thanks for the link.

I agree with your sentiment that the way forward is to lead the crowd. Having caught me on a 'rant' day, I was exhibiting less leadership and more frustration. But I do know from experience that leadership allows rants and uses frustrations to provoke responses.

I'm working hard to lead the way forward for those that read what I write, listen to what I speak on, and attend what I organise.

S

Valeria Maltoni

From experience, I know that while frustration is a great incentive to do something, it is rarely the engine forward when we stop at being that.

Also, leading can be in a supporting role and we don't always have to be in front, we can lead by coaching others.

At the end of the day, I know that a well placed rant will garner more comments than a thoughtfully positive post. I've just never been the link-baiting kind ;)

Scott Gould

Hmmm

I'm not at all saying that frustration is the engine forward, and feel that you're taking one post out of context. I'm not a well known writer, I'm not a social media 'name' in anyway shape or form, I'm not the link baiting type, and I don't think that as an relative unknown I'd get anywhere even trying to link bait. That's not why I'm here.

My writing wasn't at all to get everyone talking about me. Yes, it was to provoke a response - because I'm actually at the edge *doing* the work of supporting others (Like Minds was £25 - IOW incredibly cheap, not to mention the pro-bono work I do, and detailed free frameworks I give away), whilst taking criticism from the few that do follow me for.

I have 33 blog subscribers. So please, I'm not in this for attention, and hinting that I am is insulting to say the least. In fact, not getting attention, but actually SUPPORTING people was the point of my post - it's about providing content that has CLARITY and helps people because is not vague but provides takeaways.

Valeria Maltoni

I'm saying that it can be ;) Link baiting is not necessarily a totally bad thing. Some of the smartest people online do that on a regular basis. They write their post with the specific intent of getting a strong conversation going - think about what Jason Falls did with his post. Brilliant! And now he can brag about a couple of hundred comments.

Somehow, I manage to make my posts either too intellectual and subtle, or too inspirational for that kind of effect. Plus, I tend to want to collaborate with everyone and not piss people off.

I'm one of your 33 subscribers. Keep up the good work by leaning into it. I can go to school on clear take aways.

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