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Elena Benito-Ruiz

Thanks Valeria for bringing this up. I agree with you that community management is not marketing. They can work together, or can be a part of it if done by the same person (which I do not recommend to my clients).
And you are very right: the community manager can't be working on a company silos, somehow I always say the CM has to be like Big Brother, always knowing what's going on & beyond. Problem is when the organization doesn't collaborate, because they don't have the tools, or usually because it's not rooted in their behavior.

Things like this should be avoided: the case of a client saying there is nothing interesting to share on the blog and then find out by a press clipping or somewhere else sth that was worth blogging.

I think a community manager or a CCO can be perfectly someone as an external collaborator if following conditions are felicitous: you like the project, the value, etc and you become 200% involved in the project, you are like just another employee, although on a different payroll, for that matter. And of course there's always the possibility to train in-house, to change the box (not thinking out of it, but plainly changing it :))

I guess u already read it but there's a great tweet by Charlene Li that goes as follows:

"Does having a 'chief community officer' make sense? Initially, yes, but community *engagement* needs to be responsibility of every employee" Charlene Li, 2:01 PM September 04, 2008.

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Paul

I think one of the biggest problems in social media is the gap that is perceived by some clients to exist between it and other marketing mediums.

For example between social media and off-line PR for example. They need to be treated as one and the same in both content and deadline.

We have a neat little video on our website at www.cube3marketing.com that we use to try and convey this message on integrated marketing to some of our clients who maybe 'dont get it'!

Regards,

Rich Becker

Bravo. Perhaps more so than anywhere else, I've noted that our local market continues to struggle with the idea that they cannot supplant what you, me, Amber, Beth, etc. share onto their least experienced communication professionals or recent interns and earn the same results.

I was even more surprised to find that the rally cry to place interns in charge of social media is being nurtured by some of our own online colleagues, creating the impression that it's so easy, anybody can do it. The net result has been making social media become exactly what some companies are afraid it is ... someone playing on Facebook.

I haven't experienced this out of market, which represents a larger portion of our client base. But here, even while teaching, I meet new "social media directors" who are still struggling with the basic tenants of communication, let alone how to apply them online.

All my best,
Rich

Eric

I have to agree with Rich. I have seen so many circumstances where companies just throw a low level employee at "that social media thing" because they think just having their name out there is enough. As with any corporate initiative community engagement requires high level strategy, constant adaption, and a strong understanding of multiple advanced principles in marketing, communication, and management. And this post does a great job of making that point.

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Valeria Maltoni

@Elena - the community manager is someone passionate about communications, knowledgeable about business, capable of getting things done through networks and connections, with a solid grasp of people and group behaviors. Depending on the complexity of an organization's structure and the maturity of the organization (which doesn't mean how old the company is, it means how sophisticated and evolved it is in knowledge sharing terms) it will need a senior person in that job. One with a young hearth and a curious mind. You make a good case for external collaboration - Amber Naslund started that way. For it to be effective though, eventually the function needs to be embedded in the company.

@Paul - many organizations still don't understand the role and value of public relations and marketing beyond "getting more leads" and "doing the promotional thing". So yes, education and success stories continue to be important.

@Rich - many companies underestimate the value experienced players bring to the organization. It's easy when you focus on the tools and not on a profitable business strategy. You know what they say, you become what you focus on, thus you bring to bear upon yourself/your business the worst fears and stories that are in your head. Are there true communication courses and practicums in business school? Learning to negotiate a sticky issue, listening, responding, engaging. it looks to me like many business administrators (the BA in MBA) spend a lot of time thinking alone and presenting, instead of thinking together.

@Eric - how about adding a bunch of blogs for media outreach and a week of tweeting during the news release time? Surely that is doing social media, right? Thank you for the opinion, love the Twitter handle!

Akash Sharma

I think brands still consider that all these tools are just to show up when someone looks for a particular brand name on these sites and thats why they have completely misunderstood the analogy of social media professionals and hiring people who have accounts on all these sites.
Again integration is very important so we need people who understand every part of the cycle From involvement in the conversation, building the community to getting the right kind of ROI from the work done.
Thanks for sharing your words on this Valeria!!

Sasha Kovaliov

Valeria, you've just depicted a situation I had in our company a while ago. My boss told me - why don't you just hire an intern for $300 a month? Well, my position on this is exactly like yours: "Shit in - shit out".

After countless presentations and explanations that we indeed need a decent social media strategy both inside and outside the organization, I was told that in B2B market SM doesn't work O_o.

Anyway, my team started working in that direction without management's approval and in our free time. We were all certain, that our efforts will soon be rewarded. And indeed that happened - after 1.5 months of strategy we got our first lead.

Without experience, profound planning and great skills my team possessed it would be impossible to create a new marketing channel in such short time and bring value to community simultaneously.

My message to all the companies out there is: social media is as hard as directing an orchestra. People with no musical education don't understand why there is even a director at first place. Luckily, we all know how to get our message heard ;)

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