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Rich Nadworny

Great post Valeria. When I read the Forrester report, I think less about outsourcing the some of the details and more about owning the relationships. Brands need to own the relationships with their customers. Social media shines the light on the need to look at marketing as core component of customer operations, not just propaganda and image building. Only brands themselves can authentically own that relationship.

That's not to say they have to do everything themselves. They'll need help with a lot, from creating strategies to implementing tactics, if they're ever going to get anything done. And agencies, brand, pr, and digital, will help them. But it's folly to think one of these agencies can effectively LEAD customer-focused marketing.

Jeff Esposito

Valeria - this is a great post and way of gathering information.

As the space continues to expand and gain buy in from organizations there will be a piece of the pie for everyone.

Brands will need a shepherd to keep everything in line.

Deana Goldasich

Terrific post! Indeed, it's a debate that continues as social media grown in importance! I especially agree with your point that no agency can "decide what you want to be when you grow up." As for corporate blogs, I've always insisted that they ultimately be managed from within. However, I also see that no company can go from 0-60 overnight. More about outsourcing corporate blogs here: http://www.wellplannedweb.com/2010/03/outsource-blogs/

Drew Hawkins

I actually asked the same question on LinkedIn Answers about four months ago. I got a similar response, with the general consensus being that agency's should help with strategy but the main communication should be with the actual company. The more communication from the actual people within the organization the better.

Feel free to check out some of the responses I received as well: http://bit.ly/aGIFBR

Stephen Denny

Valeria, I admire your patience - going through 93 replies to a question posted on LinkedIn is an act of love to say the least.

The client side has become more complicated over the past several years (speaking from the perspective of a former client-side guy now on the consultant-side); more fear, more outsourcing in general and less time to reflect on what is "right" and "good."

Outsourcing in general seems to be safe in many ways, whether social media or brand strategy or anything else. The detachment gives a certain credibility and objective veneer that helps, I think. And not many CEO's are marketers, either, which plays into this complex dynamic all the more.

Personally, I look to agencies to provide tools and tasks, but never the heart of strategy. Many turn to consultants to distill the strategy, which helps (helps me, too, as this is my role today). But it's very dangerous to delegate your company's public face and voice to someone on the outside.

Jorge Barba

Valeria, you're awesome and have done everyone a favor with this post.

Just like a singer sings and the singing coach helps guide the singers voice, the same applies here. I think the key is to not outsource your voice BUT a brand can ask for help on the what, how, where to get heard part of strategy.

Great thoughts and look forward to more insightful responses :)

Tiffany Monhollon

Valeria,
I love that you added the insight into how you personally scaled and created this report, because that illustrates exactly the power of social media that we can integrate into business.

To me, that cross-platform, integrated, relational power is where companies could risk losing a lot of the juice when they hire an agency to "check the social media box." The insight I've gained as a corporate SM engaging directly with our audience is invaluable to me, and so much meaningful first-hand.

Very interesting information here - thanks for sparking this conversation! It's very top-of-mind for me.

We're currently working on a campaign that illustrates what I think is a good collaboration between agency and in-house at Express http://myleadershipinstinct.com Our team actually developed the concept, strategy, and content, and then outsourced some of the digital production for a campaign website, ads, and web videos. We are definitely learning a lot in the process! I think there can be great results with this approach. Interesting to see all these voices on the matter! Thanks!

C.B. Whittemore

Valeria, great post! I love the range of perspectives that you capture across these several social networks. Ultimately, all of these social tools are available to facilitate relevant conversations with customers. The conversation, to be meaningful and lead to business opportunities, must be owned by the brand and the business. It can be guided from outside, but, as Rich says "it's folly to think any one of these agencies can effectively LEAD customer-focused marketing."

Thanks for generating so many thoughts on the topic.

Best,
CB

karima-Catherine

Hi Valeria,

93 responses, that takes the patience of Job and good God you have done it! thank you!

Back in September, I had polled my connections on Linkedin about outsourcing social media. if you like, I can send you the link. Out of the 41 responses, there had been no clear cut tendency but Yes and Not likely were pretty much the contenders.

As a business consultant helping integrating social media, and coming from the agency and corporate background, I tend to stand by educating internal staff on how they can leverage social media. I have pretty much decided earlier on that social media front line should be handled by trained professionals understanding not only the new media but also the new customers as well as the culture of the company. they are the face and voice of the business. Whereas, functions such as strategy, training, and monitoring can be performed by outsourced consultancy.
There again, it can greatly depend on the maturity, the type and the objectives of the business.

Hope to read you if you have the courage to write more after this Proust-like entry.

Karima-Catherine

Graeme Cole

Great post and research.

There are several strands to social media activity. Two of which, business buy-in and brand personality are hard to acheive with an outside agent.

It's the small, more intimate detail the companies provide through social media, which turn good campaigns into great campaigns.

Patrick Curl - Social Media Strategest

Great post, and way of using Linked In. I feel privileged to be apart of the conversation, and didn't expect to find my answer on a blog that I subscribe to - and I think it's unique to build a conversation via linkedin answers, then use the questions gathered as a blog post.

I never thought to do that, but will definitely be a good way to create some traction, when I'm stumped for a topic.

To clarify on my answer and someone else saying that it's good to outsource seo / webdesign but use a PR agency instead for social media.

I think all people who call themselves social media consultants, or strategist should also be search engine optimization savvy. They don't need to be experts but savvy, so in that case a company not only gets a social media consult, but a search engine optimization one as well. This what I do in my business, anyhow.

Valeria Maltoni

@Rich - you caught me. I always think about customers first. Your comment about owning the relationship makes me think about a post I wrote a while back about "who owns the customer"? Same question we're asking about social media, isn't it? Everyone should be accountable to service and to dialogue, it's not any one particular department. Customers do a fine job at owning themselves anyway ;)

@Jeff - I like the idea of guide and counsel. It's easier to see things from the outside. And I like your expansive thinking.

@Deana - thank you for the link. Company blogs are actually one of the places companies could really have a lot of fun with. It's like having your own editorial impact on the industry, why wouldn't you love that?

@Drew - I should have looked for other like questions. Things are still so fluid and yet many decisions are being made right now that will impact organizations long term. It felt right to approach the topic. Thank you for the link.

@Stephen - less time to reflect is being felt, profoundly. It's probably the number one cause of stress. Who likes to have to react to everything, and to have second thoughts? It's an instant fail. Not many companies are strong enough to listen to their own people. Instead, they prefer to find best practices from whoever decided what who never spent a second learning about their business. It's very dangerous to think you can delegate that kind of choice.

@Jorge - thank you for the compliment and for the beautiful image.

Valeria Maltoni

@Tiffany - thank you for the link to your project, how exciting! And for catching me on building yet another layer into the post. I did want to illustrate how powerful collaboration and true interest are. I spent time on the profile of each of the contributors to the conversation to visit with them. Where are they? Where have they been? it goes to context. It's the same kind of approach I would have with customers. Professionals on the client side have also learned to be more creative than they used to be. Fewer resources probably did the trick.

@C.B. - thank you for stopping in and taking the time to read. I'm thrilled that the topic has been embraced by so many diverse professionals. I agree, the company needs to drive.

@carima-Katherine - thank you for the link on Twitter, saw that. Also, I think that a solid grounding in marketing and communications are key in handling integration of social media. The culture of the business also plays an important role in determining who does what. There are many conservative companies with fun and light advertising and marketing communications that would have a hard time coming across in that voice if they were to handle themselves from day one. They need to learn to own their brand communications from the inside.

@Graeme - we often talk about the nuances in a conversation, the small details in a business negotiation, that only an insider would be able to tell.

@Patrick - life can be pleasantly surprising. I tend to have a very collaborative style, good content and contributions get my attention. Think I've written about using LinkedIn Q&As as inspiration for topics. This post was work, about 5-6 hours of it overall. It was worth it though. I learned so much about everyone who has participated in the process. Thank you for the clarification.

Online Reputation Management

Great post, valeria! You really have a lot of patience and I very much appreciate giving this subject such attention. Thanks for sharing the method you used as well with us.

Tish Grier

Hi Valeria! great post--and you bring up important points. In the four years I've been working in various aspects of social media (blogging, community development, etc) often with start-ups and special projects. I didn't think that any of it could be outsourced. And for large companies, I can see where it would be most important to have the voice of their social media outreach come from within--not just for authenticity, but also to eliminate any "middle man" which customers in the social era really don't like.

I, though, work primarily with small companies (micro-businesses) and solopreneurs. I find that both need lots and lots of coaching, and I love doing just that :) . They also sometimes need someone to "pinch hit" for them with their social media--do a blog post, put in some tweets, and the like. In these cases the close relationship with the client makes it easy to help them manage their social media effectively. I find that my expertise is respected by the solopreneurs and it's great to see them get the most of their social media experience while also having lives.

I'd never thought I'd say that, but there it is...

Jay Baer

Damn. Every time I think I write a good blog, you come along and do something like this. Incredible effort. Thank you for taking the time.

As someone that essentially makes a living answering this question, consulting primarily with agencies on social media skills and business modeling, I definitely have an opinion.

First, it is difficult to outsource your voice. Less so for authenticity, than for cycle time. Most agencies simply can't react as quickly as if that reaction was handled by an in-house team. However, I do have agency clients that do an amazing job of being the minute-to-minute voice of brands in social media. But, it's clearly the exception.

Second, agencies play an incredibly important role in helping tie together the big picture. In my experience, most corporate teams are prone to getting way too wrapped up in the granularity of social media, and do not give integration and holistic thinking the attention it needs. Again, there clearly are exceptions.

Thus, my advice is always that the agency holds the rudder, and the company holds the wheel. Task the agency with creating the strategic imperative. They should be figuring out how the company should "be" social, and the company should focus on "doing" social.

Then, the agency can help analyze data, implement new tactics, and in general "plus us" the program. Social is moving so fast, that there is literally noone that has their arms around the whole thing. It's not possible. So, agencies can certainly bring items to the table that will improve the company's program - most notably content optimization skills and understanding of virality triggers and memetics.

I very much advocate that this is a 1+1=3 situation. I'm not a big fan of outsourcing the whole social enchilada to agencies, nor am I big proponent of companies going solo without agency guidance.

There's enough room for both hands in this cookie jar.

Danielle

Great post! I especially love this tidbit-
"Hiring an expert - an agency or a consultant - to provide guidance on the tools and potential strategies is smart, as it will shorten the learning curve. But you can't outsource your voice."

It pretty much sums up my thoughts exactly (and what I blogged about last week http://www.atomicdust.com/blog/single/be-yourself-with-social-media/). I also turned to some LinkedIn groups with this question and got similar results as you did. It seems like overall, most people favor a mix between company and agency control of social media.

I see a need for companies to turn to agencies for help in the social media world- maybe they don't understand it, don't have the time, don't have the staff, think that is what you're 'supposed' to do- but I think ultimately, the agency's role is to guide them. To teach them about social media, how it can be used to meet their business goals, and then let them do it on their own.

I'm not saying cut all ties with them. I feel like agencies can be a real help in measurement, auditing, strategy, etc., but should they be the one physically writing and posting the content? No. Like Stephen said in that quote, the agency can't be the voice.

Glenn Hansen

Thanks for asking the question in a way that commanded so much response. We were just discussing this in a social media user group - how to improve/encourage the use of LinkedIn as a discussion space, not just a spot for hosting and posting messages. Why are people more responsive to discussions on Facebook than on LinkedIn? You have proven that it can work. Let's keep it going. Thanks, Glenn

Amy S.

I think there's a simple answer to this question - if you're already outsourcing your company's public communications to a trusted PR agency partner, they should be responsible for communicating on your behalf in the social media space as well. But if PR dictates how/what should be said, your company as well as other agencies (digital, etc.) could support the idea and help execute.

Eric Tsai

Valeria, I continue to be amazed on how much I can learn from you and the community that you've cultivated regardless of platform.

Most people (including myself) like to feel that we make the right decision and rationalize them somehow to feed our emotions. But the real value is in what you're doing across any platform, from your weekly #kaizenblog chat http://twitter.com/#search?q=kaizenblog to how you're able to get people to take action, I've learned that it's not about right or wrong, good or bad, black or white; but how we reach those conclusions. Reading everyone's opinion not only help my own but also propel the discussion forward. Sometimes we're so into what we do that we stop questioning ourselves.

I would love your opinion on the art of listening because most people tend to just wait until it's their turn to speak.

Thank you for including me in the conversation, I'm humbled by it.

Girish

Depends on the size of your firm, a megacorp should definitely outsource to a PR team, but for a SMB the PR could be the core message of their firm or product and there is no way a 3rd party could portray that effectively. So its really a mixed opinion there is no one answer that is correct.

Valeria Maltoni

@Daniela (Online Reputation) - the methodology is another critical piece of information that companies might consider building more transparency into, especially with employees. How do they arrive to the conclusions they do about the business? It's amazing how much more engaging those conversations would become.

@Tish - there is another consideration about coaching. In some companies that are not culturally ready to participate, coaching can help those who have been selected to contribute to blogs and online forums so they don't feel left out in the cold while the company catches up with what it means to be open. There's psychological value and a risk management component built into hiring an outside consultant or agency to help get things going and keep them sustainable. Nothing wrong with having lives :)

@Jay - I wholeheartedly agree about outsourcing your voice being difficult. And to that, I'd add that technical groups should do their heavy lifting and not expect that marketing and communications will take care of the content. Imagine doing a major blog launch that supports a new product and asking marketing to write the posts... hello? You're very diplomatic about the integration and holistic approach. Truth is, when the culture is cut throat, people are very turf-driven and give little thought to how their own actions and work impact others on the team and the whole customer experience. It's easier to look to an external resource as a guide. It takes the egos out of the equation.

@Danielle - thank you for the link. I'm willing to bet you that unless companies change the way they think about communications and build internal resources to support these additional assets, the writing and posting will be outsourced. I'm not saying that's the way I would do it, it's just hard for senior leaders who are used to marketing providing talking points and doing the leg work to shift their thinking to going direct.

@Glenn - it really depends on the frequency people are used to on each network, the context, and the person asking. Facebook is perceived as more casual, and people do spend more time there than on LinkedIn, even as more look for career opportunities, it's easier to be social than to be "working" :)

@Amy - the organization should still drive what is being said, the content. I agree that all agencies should be aligned on behalf of the organization.

@Eric - thank you for the kind words. Most people do like to think they made the right decision, and the process of getting there does help us manage emotion and gather the information we need to rationalize our decision. That's why we shifted the focus of #kaizenblog chat more decisively to strategy. We felt there was a need to take a step back and do just that. Listening is an art, and I've written about it here. I'll think about a way to put the question forth that stimulates thinking about the process vs. talking about tactics.

@Girish - interesting thought here. Would a megacorp have a more defined and portable core message?

KPO India

It's a tricky question. As it may be a time consuming task, it could be better for some to outsource it. However, every business set up business differs. It will only be up to the individuals running the business to decide whether they should outsource it or not.

Eric B. Estes

Just like human relations there is no way pinpoint any one system or method that works best. Ultimately, it comes down to the people involved at the ground level. 1st and foremost the individual hitting the keys on the keyboard and their ability to translate the given context of the message; 2nd and almost as important is company representative verbalizing the stance and direction to the Social Media folks. These two people can make or break any SMO campaign. Of course let's not forget direction, organizations are often so intent on 'getting the word out' that their focus gets lost within the ocean of social media. Aiming your time and resources toward a few [target audience] well traveled SMO's rather than hitting every single last one will will net proven success. Often over looked and undervalued aspect of a social media campaign is data management; the software we run can determine how productive a campaign managers day might be. Bottom line: Get the good stuff and learn to maximize it.

Eric B. Estes
Market Research Analyst
Clearwater Technical Group Inc.
www.fundraisingthebar.blogspot.com

Teena

Glad I bumped into your post, I've been wondering about that lately. The responses you post gave me an idea whether or not to outsource social media, or is it applicable to everyone regardless of industry or profession. For me it's a very sensitive part of branding, you build credibility and outsourcing it might break or make you. I'm not an expert on this matter it's a personal opinion that's why I need post like this to support my opinion on whether or not to outsource social media. Many thanks to you.

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