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Remco Janssen

I'm a google apps user and I really hate the idea that google has their best customers profit last from their new features. If I had known back then, I would have never signed up for it...

Lorraine

Thanks for your observations and insights, Valeria.

I would like to play around with Google+--but I can't. You're right: Google made a "gross and frustrating oversight" in forbidding Google app users access to Google+.

They send an elitist message, making some users "haves" and others "have nots."

I hope they correct their error soon so we can all start experimenting with Google+. Excited by its possibilities...

Chris Baskind

It now appears that it will be MONTHS before Google Apps users are allowed Profiles pairity with Gmail users: http://bit.ly/iMeaQ0 (a shortened link to a Google Groups discussion).

Pete

Looks like they took the best of Buzz, the best of Wave, and the fixes for the worst of Facebook, added serious video chat and created one platform out of it. Not a bad platform even in "Pre Beta" plus the Android app is very functional.

Valeria Maltoni

Google Profiles is the stumbling block for Google Apps - could it be because the original target was corporate customers? Looking to explain why the oversight. Certainly it does not justify the delay in addressing the gap.

Valeria Maltoni

wondering what the thinking was. Surely there is information available as to who subscribes -- independents and corporate accounts -- to make that determination... organizational silos at Google could also be a possibility

Valeria Maltoni

surely there is a business case for making that happen!

Valeria Maltoni

which means they tested the app - I'm a big fan of testing ;-)

Rohinkallat

Happy 4th of July! I finally managed to be able to log in and give Google+ a spin.

While my initial reaction with most things Google is usually kid-in-a-candy-store in nature - wide-eyed, mouth agape with "Bliss" written large across my face - with Google+ I felt a little let down. Don't get me wrong, the thinking behind "Circles" and categorizing contacts that way is just one more intuitive manner in which to organize our lives, just like handling email threads as conversations was in Gmail. However, between Google Buzz and now Google+, Google seemed to have stopped looking to the future, and resorted to competing one-on-one with Twitter and Facebook, respectively.

I suppose I envision a one-stop-shop for all things Google, without having little bits of utilitarian software and/or online apps scattered all over the place. I may not have to log in more than once, but I do have to switch windows between/tabs between my email, what my friends are saying about stuff on Buzz, and what else they're saying about stuff on Google+.

Thank you for your insights into Google+ and for mentioning things that I hadn't really considered myself. Among other things, I'm not a Google Apps user and so haven't experienced the kinds of difficulties that you speak of. Looking forward to more of your pioneering ideas in the near future.

-Rohin

Gary_r_lee

Great post Valeria. I've been online and playing with Google+ for a few days now. I love the circle concept that you outline here and can see how it may change social forever by allowing you to segment your audience. This seems to be the one resounding positive I see from early adopters / testers of Google+ .

Beyond that, I can see the promise of Google+. but am not (yet) convinced it can and will upset Facebook as a mass offering especially if we see Facebook move to something similar to Circles very quickly. If they do, this could be a very strong defense to Google+.

What are your thoughts on Facebook's ability and appetite to counter Circles?

I'll continue to dig through the offering, experiment, play and learn from others like yourself.

Thanks for posting your thoughts.

Grl

Paul Gailey

Hi Valeria, I speculated about this very point: why Apps Users are delayed from Google Plus. I think it is down to risk management from Google. And as much as I am personally frustrated I understand their caution. http://qr.ae/71ryp

Valeria Maltoni

I'm also thinking there is a bit of caution over pulling other services in before they field tested G+ on some features. So far, it looks like they are being very responsive to feedback, which is a good starts.

Valeria Maltoni

there is one fundamental difference with Facebook: and that is the trust factor. People have been thinking "in Google we trust" and there is responsibility that goes with that, to keep that trust. Facebook has done the exact opposite. It continues to demonstrate the many ways in which you cannot trust it...

To me, that is the deal breaker. Ditto, I am iterating my thinking as I go.

Valeria Maltoni

good point. Thank you for sharing the link to your thoughts. We're off to a productive conversation with Google, I think. So far, they have been listening and participating, as opposed to what it felt like in other social networks early on.

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