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Brian Driggs

Oy. Am I becoming dyslexic? All morning, I've had this tab open and thinking it read: Getting, Giving, or Being Inside the Scoop. I blame the ice cream! :)

One of the oldest sales tricks in the book is the "alternate advance" question. Given a choice between yes or no, backing out is a piece of cake.

Would you like to buy an encyclopedia set?

The alternate advance, then, is posing multiple options, any of which would be desirable.

Would you prefer the encyclopedia set or the leather-bound dictionary?

The trap, however, is when such thinking results in our viewing our options as either-or, when AND is so powerful.

One of the things I've been trying to work on, personally, is how to break free from either-or thinking. Why should I choose between getting, giving, or being the scoop? How do I go about becoming all three?

Valeria Maltoni

Another way it is a false choice: both options may be irrelevant to what we're looking to do/focusing on.

So much of the current recycled conversation is about debunking things that are not even relevant.

Brian Driggs

Absolutely. Sadly, a reflection on the human condition these days. As if proving others wrong in any way makes us right, ya know?

And you're going to have to come clean on the tower cookies. I know there's a story to them, even to the point of thinking I've had someone explain it to me before (when serving them to me), but the Googles! They do nothing! :P

Valeria Maltoni

Why I value so much experiences in real life. Harder to hide behind am avatar there.

The story is about the two towers in Bologna ;-)

peter

Yes, the opposite is seldom the solution. Its just easier to argue.

Brian Driggs

And yet, it can be just as easy - if not easier - to ignore it! We have more important things to do!

Peter

I'm not sure it's easier,

Binary or logocentric reasoning has been a feature of western conversation since Plato. In that regard its not a new feature of the human condition. But still sad.

Agree there are much more important things to do than legitimize bad ideas by arguing with them.

But the work of ideas is not painless. In my view, it is work that should be ligitimised as well as listening without judgement. It too is sad we are so quick to judge. Can we tell great art when there are only a few strokes on the canvass?

Brian Driggs

Well, first of all, I am a sucker for line weight and brush stroke, so it's not uncommon for me to become fascinated with art consisting of a few strokes. "Great art" is subjective and personal - that's where the real greatness lies.

As for the binary/logocentric being nothing new, I wonder how the internet has contributed and if small groups of new-thinking people might tap that power to affect a fundamental change.

Our current economic problems stem from reliance upon industrial revolution, semi-feudal principles. There is a movement to shift that thinking, but how might our view of "others" be psychologically ingrained over the last 1,500 years?

If we have made the environment, after all...

Good chat. Thanks!

Mike Marn

Without being too arty - the towers are the most visible part, but only an afterthought to the "foundation" into which they are stuck.

In this case, the "scoops" ironically enough are the substance. Without that substance, you'll never BE the "inside scoop" and relegated to giving or getting them!

(On the other hand, as you point out in the end, both elements are necessary for a more pleasing overall package.)

Valeria Maltoni

I'm intrigued by your interpretation - thank you. This Liberal Arts major is in favor of art.

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